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| Jul 22, 2023 at 11:27 | comment | added | Rui F Ribeiro | @leanne The gamification is not perfect per se, however people who has high points did not get them overnight and had to start somewhere as everyone else.Posting quality questions take time. Low quality, unmoderated content would not be attractive to visit, alas the feed is boring as it is, and that is an unappreciated and ungrateful free work I also gave up on doing. Answering also takes time. I am not also very interested on interacting with drive through users. SE and drive through users seems to think the only ones accountable to standard and rules are high rep users who play by the rules. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 17:12 | comment | added | Kevin B | Sure, however, no one here just gets to claim they’re the expert, it’s earned. You presented your case, and people disagreed. That’s the system working as intended. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 17:00 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB: one person with knowledge of the topic, with a consensus of people who had no knowledge of the topic, and refused to hear the relevant point. Typical SO "volunteers". Majority doesn't mean correct: example, incorrect SO answers upvoted hundreds of times. Listening and understanding would be "correct". | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:56 | comment | added | Kevin B | All you need is a consensus that agrees with you. you didn't have one. One person saying everyone else is wrong is unlikely to be correct. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:55 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB: again, the point is that people, like yourself, make the decision to close. People give the reason for closure. People give the downvotes. People decided to close the example question without understanding the topic in the question, then refused to reopen it, even though a person with knowledge of the topic (myself) demonstrated how the question was valid and relevant - unless because it didn't specifically involve code, it was off-topic, upon which people could not agree. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:48 | comment | added | Kevin B | The only thing the automated tools that exist in that room do are 1: find spam, 2: find rude content. that's it. I would expect those to be things you'd appreciate existing, given your concerns on rudeness. Actual rudeness, not "Someone on the internet didn't like what i created, it's not fair" | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:46 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB: or like tools | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:45 | comment | added | Kevin B | have you even looked at the posts that smokedetector presents? it's a spam tool. it finds spam. literal spam. now you're just making claims about things you didn't even take the time to investigate. This tool exists, again, because the company wouldn't do it themselves. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:43 | comment | added | leanne | No, @KevinB; those are "volunteer" problems. I visited your "close voters" chat and saw that all the close voters were together having a visit. So, "smokescreen", or like tools, pop up messages into the room, whereupon somebody decides to close the question, and others run right over to close. There was even one discussion about whether a user was "worth keeping" in order to make a close decision. That's plain wrong. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:41 | comment | added | Kevin B | I 100% agree that the site does an awful job of onboarding users and displaying information to users related to how their question is being received. That's been a problem for as long as this site has existed. They've made multiple attempts to solve it, but it seems as if they gave up on the QA side of things ~ 8 years ago. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:40 | comment | added | Kevin B | Those are design problems with the site that we've been pushing for solving for literally a decade. This isn't a community problem, the site literally tells us to downvote not useful content and not to comment on downvotes. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:39 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB, the example is all about rudeness. Downvotes without explanation: not rude? Almost immediate closure for an invalid reason: not rude? All moves against a first time user: within standards for the site? My meta question about reason for closure and how to re-open getting a multitude of downvotes and no help: not rude? C'mon Kevin: really? | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:35 | comment | added | Kevin B | @leanne if you're talking about basic kindness, why do all of your references not show any signs of rude behavior or actions that are against the standards of the site? | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:34 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB: I'm not talking about standards. I'm talking about basic kindness and concern for new, or new to a topic, users. Questions can be corrected to standards - if explanation is given and closure is held off to give time. The example I gave had not a single explanation for any of the downvotes, and the original closure reason wasn't even correct. You, yourself, were involved in the discussion, and still the problem wasn't fixed. The question is still closed, and the (first time) user is probably long gone at this point. Standards for a new user were not followed. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:30 | comment | added | Kevin B | SO has always been a site with standards, that isn't something new that occurred. It's what attracted experts to come here rather than continuing wherever they were prior to SO. Unfortunately, as the site grew standards stopped being enforced as well resulting in more negativity as we lost the ability to curate the site the way it needs to be. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:29 | comment | added | leanne | @KevinB: then other "volunteers" - regardless, the point is the same. (That's why I generally put "volunteers" in quotes: because there are many titles.) The issue, though, is the same: SO has become an unfriendly environment unless you can ask just the right questions in just the right way to avoid a tidal wave of downvotes and/or closure without explanation - even if you've never asked a question before. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:17 | comment | added | Kevin B | @leanne there were no moderators involved in the handling of the referenced question. | |
| Jul 19, 2023 at 16:10 | comment | added | leanne | @RuiFRibeiro: I have never gotten into the reputation gamification because of the moderator abuse. For example, one of my early questions, regarding Visual Studio 2012, was closed as a duplicate of a question for a much older, inapplicable, version of VS. I see new developers referred to SO for help, only to find their limited tech vocabulary gets them slammed with downvotes and questions closed without explanation. If I defend valid questions (example in my answer), I get slammed, when even the moderators don't agree on a reason for close and/or don't have topic knowledge. Why invest? | |
| Jul 17, 2023 at 12:28 | comment | added | Rui F Ribeiro | In the years have been active here, typically the most vocal users complaining about moderators "abuse", were the ones not willing to put any effort investing into the reputation gamification and good quality questions both on technical and English content, while still demanding good quality answers, often abusing the system with drive by users. | |
| Jul 16, 2023 at 13:03 | comment | added | OverLordGoldDragon | As someone who largely agrees with your sentiment on "volunteers toxic", I find the answer absurd. StackExchange = community. It's nothing without it. I also don't fully support the strike (if including Prompt Engineering SE), but my reasoning is very different. | |
| Jun 26, 2023 at 22:18 | comment | added | HippoMan | What seems to be happening here is that SE moderators in general believe that they can do work of sufficient quality without the help of LLM software, while the SE management disagrees. This is just another instance of what will inevitably occur as more and more so-called "AI" and "robotics" entities are used to replace human workers ... irrespective of whether the workers are paid or are volunteering. Sadly, over time, human workers and human volunteers are going to lose this war, as an increasing number of people will find themselves out of work due to being replaced by machines. | |
| Jun 25, 2023 at 5:29 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | @leanne Yes, I largely agree with your comments on question improvement. I covered this reasonably well (I hope :-) ) in my answer | |
| Jun 22, 2023 at 14:51 | comment | added | leanne | @RussellMcMahon: I refer to Overflow Labs where Prosus is already using AI to locate questions in existing text and suggest titles for new questions. Since Prosus owns the likes of Udemy and Codecademy, they can get new questions at any time. With the AI's help, they can cut the number of people needed to deal with low-quality questions dramatically. Yet, they can still grow the SO database of programming-related questions effectively and without human judgement (read "bullying") that so often happens in long-standing forums. AI is here... | |
| Jun 21, 2023 at 21:24 | comment | added | willeM_ Van Onsem | @RussellMcMahon: very likely, eventually AI will outsmart people, but the current level (like ChatGPT) does not and is way off. That is basically because how these tools are made: as electrical parrots that imitate humans, and for example refer to sources, classes, laws. But the difference is, these do not exist. Indeed, it refers to them because somehow it is trained that there is a country with a certain law related to the question, whereas for the exact question, the "real" country has no such law. | |
| Jun 21, 2023 at 18:23 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Broke The Law | To leanne I would like to point out: tough [censored]. It doesn't matter whether you support a strike or not. That decision is made by the people striking. If working doesn't feel valuable to a volunteer, they'll stop volunteering, and you cannot force them to volunteer, because that is called slavery. If you want people to do work for you, you either pay them, or you make it worth their while some other way, like the warm fuzzy feeling of doing good in the world. | |
| Jun 19, 2023 at 11:01 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | @leanne That the company is legally able to do as it wishes with its property is correct. What you said about replacing humans with AI is not correct - and is unlikely to be so for quite some years yet. | I'm an SE EE moderator - because I care for people and seek to help newcomers get things right and understand the system. I've also seen the damage uncontrolled newcomers and AI answers can do. See my answer above. The use of AI for question improvement may work. I guarantee that it's use for question answering will be (and is) a disaster. | |
| Jun 13, 2023 at 19:58 | comment | added | willeM_ Van Onsem | The company indeed owns the collection of sites, the moderators on the other hand own their (free) time, and thus can decide to strike when they want to. This also is not only because of a new AI policy, but is something that is smoldering for a very long time. | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 14:17 | comment | added | leanne | @Lewis: no condescension intended. Simply separation from the company, employees, or users. Nowhere, in any of my posts anywhere do I suggest that "[j]ust because they are unpaid", volunteers and their contributions are devalued by me." | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 0:36 | comment | added | Someone | Why do you keep highlighting the word volunteer in an apparently condescending way? Just because they are unpaid does not devalue their contributions. Remove the volunteers from the network and see how much "content" remains. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 20:29 | comment | added | This_is_NOT_a_forum | Related: The meta effect | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 20:17 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 19:24 | comment | added | kaya3 | OK, so you are wrong, and that's fine. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 18:45 | comment | added | leanne | Further, @kaya3: the company does not have to communicate every internal decision with its volunteers. It also does not have to expose all of its rules to the public. The "striking" volunteers seem to have conflated themselves with internal employees and management. This isn't about the "love of SE/SO"; this is about trying to force a company to do what a small subset of people want: the ability to close posts and suspend users irregardless of what the company and the larger community sees as harmful. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 18:38 | comment | added | leanne | It comes down to this, @kaya3: a small subset of "volunteers" have been closing "thousands" of posts as AI-generated when there is no one in the world that has been able to accurately identify AI-generated text. The company has identified that a number of these closings have been incorrect (in alignment with my earlier comment). These volunteers (unreasonably) expect the company to allow them to continue (insensitively) harming users. My "close vote" experience shows an example of unreasonable and insensitive behavior by volunteers. This strike is just a further example of that behavior. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 18:31 | history | edited | leanne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
clarified why I updated my post, and that it had nothing to do with my reasons for non-support of this strike
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 0:56 | comment | added | kaya3 | You've said that SE either should or will do what is in their interests, and/or their shareholders' interests, and/or their users' interests. Is there any reason to believe they won't do that? The purpose of the strike is to hopefully change what actions SE will take to serve those interests. Is there a particular outcome you want to achieve, which would be achieved by the strike ending without the strikers' demands being met? | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 0:51 | comment | added | kaya3 | Your position would be clearer if you didn't mix it in with irrelevant grievances about other poorly-received changes unrelated to the strike, your own questions being closed, which institutional investors happen to own shares, and so on. It's very hard to discern any logical relation between any of the points you are trying to make, and you seem to be contradicting yourself in multiple ways. So, despite the volume of text you have written, I do not understand what "not support" really means if you don't think we should stop striking, and you don't think SE should refuse what we ask. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 0:19 | comment | added | kaya3 | Well, if you don't think we should stop striking and you don't think SE should refuse to do what we're asking, then what does it mean to not support the strike? It sounds more like you are just indifferent to the strike. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 23:31 | comment | added | leanne | @kaya3: I have explained all my points in the comment thread above, if you care to read it. And, no, I'm not saying that you all should stop donating your time. I also am not saying that "SE shouldn't do what [you're] asking them to do". I am saying, perhaps, that what you're asking them to do (in terms of AI-content flagging) is unreasonable. Or that if it isn't, then the strikers should leave. (Perhaps go to that other site - or take your AI-detecting skills to companies who respect them.) My update notes that the point may be moot, anyway. Strike on, though, if it's what you believe in. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 23:22 | comment | added | kaya3 | This answer is all over the place. Could you clarify exactly what you mean by "do not support the strike"? Do you mean you think we shouldn't stop donating our free time to improve SE's product? Or do you mean you think SE shouldn't do what we're asking them to do? | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 23:16 | history | edited | leanne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
corrected that the current SO/SE-owning company is not actually private
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| Jun 9, 2023 at 22:31 | history | edited | leanne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added an update based on further exploration of the company that owns SO/SE and their actions.
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| Jun 9, 2023 at 16:29 | comment | added | leanne | @mason: my post discusses that in the last two points. As for the downvotes, I can't control anyone else's opinions, perception, or translation of the meaning in my posts. Getting downvotes when one expresses disagreement or reasoning that others disagree with has been the normal reality here at SO/SE for a number of years. And, though you likely can't see it, my post has gotten some upvotes as well. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 16:22 | comment | added | mason | If your disagreement with the strike is about whether a human can detect AI generated content or not, then you should have made your answer about that. As written now, it's some rant about how Stack Overflow Inc is a company and can therefore legally do whatever it wants - and that's really relevant to the discussion. Practically nobody disagree with that - it's just that it misses the point and is completely irrelevant. That's why you have so many downvotes here. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 16:19 | comment | added | mason | You say you've been following that ChatGPT saga, but you either missed or are ignoring crucial parts of this strike. The strike isn't just about ChatGPT - it's about the company having hidden rules, and not coordinating properly with the volunteers. No, they aren't legally required to coordinate with them - but it'd be wise to do so since they're a big part of why these sites are successful in the first place. Several moderators have offered to do blind tests to validate their AI detection abilities - but the company refuses to take them up on the offer. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 16:14 | comment | added | leanne | @mason: As to the private rules they had to agree to: if those rules went public, then (possibly) users would be able to override the very things the company wants to use to determine if a post is AI-generated. Now, I don't know what the private items are, so that's a guess on my part. But, I repeat: if these volunteers are truly able to detect AI-generated content with near 100% accuracy, then they need to quit wasting time with a company that doesn't believe them and go get jobs with companies that are desperate to root out AI-generated content. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 16:08 | comment | added | leanne | @mason: I have been following the ChatGPT saga, among other AI-related issues. From all that I have seen/read/heard, there is no way that anything - not humans, not tools, not the AI itself - can tell with high accuracy, whether content was AI-generated or not. Some of the striking volunteers have claimed a near 100% accuracy rate. The company has said that they have evidence that many items flagged were not AI-generated. This puts the company in an untenable position: lose users from (possibly) badly flagged posts, or appease their volunteers by letting them flag unrestrainedly. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 15:30 | comment | added | mason | @leanne I haven't seen you provided any reasoning for why you disagree with the strike. The only reasoning you seem to have provided is that Stack Overflow Inc is a company and can legally do what it wants - but now that we agree that's true, that still doesn't provide any reasoning for why moderators shouldn't strike. What about their reasoning for striking do you disagree with? | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 15:26 | comment | added | kaya3 | @KarlKnechtel Yes, ChatGPT has been trained on a wide range of text data, including instances of sarcasm. It can often recognize sarcastic statements by analyzing linguistic cues and contextual information within a conversation. However, understanding sarcasm can be challenging even for humans, and there may be cases where ChatGPT might not fully grasp the intended sarcastic tone or meaning, as sarcasm can be subjective and complex. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:44 | comment | added | leanne | @mason: again, I did not "explicitly" say any of those things. I didn't say "the company shouldn't accept feedback". A company should accept feedback. My point is that what the company does with that feedback is its own choice. It is not required to comply with what its users/volunteers want. And, yes, the moderators have every right to strike. I simply do not agree with this strike. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:42 | comment | added | mason | I don't think anyone would say that Stack Overflow Inc must legally abide by what the users wants. But you seem to think that the users expressing their opinions in the form of a strike/boycott shouldn't be supported. You offer no support for that view, other than talking about how the company has a responsibility to make good decisions in order to keep making money, which again none of us disagreed with. What we disagree with is that they aren't making good decisions and they aren't properly collaborating with their users. Theyre chasing short term profits instead of long term platform health | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:39 | comment | added | mason | I know you didn't explicitly says that they always make correct decisions. But your post seems predicated on the idea that the company shouldn't accept feedback from their users. That the users should have no say. And that's just silly. It has long been the right of users of a service to boycott that service in order to influence the service provider to change their practices. That's essentially what the moderators are doing here. And it's absurd for you to think that they shouldn't strike (boycott) when the need arises. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:37 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | I am open to further elaborate in chat. It is the tone and the chain of arguments you make that hit me wrong. Your premise is that "(the company) are not beholden to their volunteers regarding their decisions" - that I can agree. Soon after you first mention "complain about firing a mod" - that is already something that involved something they were NOT allowed to do - slandering, and it ended up in actual legal litigation. The final part also I can accept as your view (even if I disagree on some central point) but it is the tone that seem wrong as if you were bashing the volunteers as a whole | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:28 | comment | added | leanne | @SPArcheon: I bolded and italicized all the salient points. I mentioned the "wrongs" done to me and others because SE/SO has commented that their user count is falling. I believe these "wrongs" are a big reason. And, note that part is not bolded or italicized, so why do you think it's my main issue? The rest of the points are simply legal fact, or in the case of AI, publicly discussed issues in the general media. SO/SE is just another company having issues with AI recognition. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:23 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | Again, you may have your reason to be angry for some wrongs that were done to you in the past by some mods, I don't have any difficult to believe that. But your post feels like those wrongs are the sole reasons you refuse to recognize while other mods are now protesting about other unrelated things. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:22 | comment | added | leanne | @mason: did I say that I "believe that Stack Overflow Inc staff always make the correct decisions?" No, I did not. I said that "A corporation has the responsibility, and right, to make their own decisions..." Those are two completely different things. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:21 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | they have the right to "fire" people, revoke moderation rights (since those weren't paid employees in the first place), suspend or ban users. But they don't have any right to go around and tell the press that "there is this moderator that refuses to acknowledge that everyone should be allowed to choose how they identify and was planning to misrepresent users identities on purpose with the sole intention of hurting people, so we removed her and advise no one should hire her ever. BTW here is her mail if you want to send in well deserved hate letters". Yet that is what was done back then. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:19 | comment | added | leanne | @tripleee: the particular publisher I was considering was one that accepts short stories to be placed in an anthology. There are many other examples in the media about companies, colleges, even TurnItIn trying to find ways to determine items written by AI. If none of these places has been able to figure out how to tell with high accuracy, then I stand by my comment that the volunteers here with this skill should be looking to share it. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 12:14 | comment | added | leanne | @SPArcheon: * Not trying to pick a fight; simply stating an alternative view. * No more or less "venting" than the OP. * Never said "EVERY" volunteer; as a matter of fact, several times said some. * Not "mad at the world"; again, simply stating an alternative view. * NOT A JOKE! Yes, I have read the multiple posts and articles about the fired moderator. The point is only that companies have a right to fire people, no legal requirement to explain why, and that their management and employees (such as legal, usually) will make that decision and carry it out. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 8:42 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | @kaya3 while your comment is generally accurate, I have seen demonstrations that ChatGPT has a reasonably good conceptual model of sarcasm, and can generate impressive sarcastic prose if you explicitly ask it to be sarcastic. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 8:09 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | This answer is a valid contribution. I agree to many points in it except to the first and last one. I support the strike and I don't want to mock moderators. If the company has rights, then the mods have rights too. Of course they can strike at any time. And without their work surely SO as we know it wouldn't exist. We all owe them a lot of gratitude for that. Of course we too can choose freely what to support and what not but in this case I support the strike because the arguments for it convince me. If the company wants a different policy it should look for mods to enforce them elsewhere. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 7:52 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | Lastly, since you mentioned a "fired volunteer" I suggest that you may want to actually read about that before empty making jokes that only make YOU look quite bad. The "fired volunteer" as you call it was subject to a slandering campaign on the web that the company started, not just removed from their position. You may thing that they were "fired" with a reason? Again fine. But it is NOT fine to go and make that person you scapegoat puppet in the hope to gain some free advertisement like the company did. So, please. DON'T JOKE ABOUT THAT. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 7:48 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | "OMG: instead of volunteering, you should be getting paid the big bucks for this incredible skill!!!" - this line makes your purpose quite clear. You see the volunteers as the ones who did you wrong, and now you are felling a twisted pleasure in seeing them done wrong. I think you may find a far more productive use of your time in reflecting about why you "were done wrong". And I will go even as far as to say that is completely possible that you were indeed punished without reason. But in that case you should just ask the company to review you case instead of being mad at the world. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 7:44 | comment | added | ꓢPArcheon | This post looks like it is just trying to pick up a fight. You don't agree with the strike? Fine, no one here is forcing you - everyone has is views and those should be respected. You, on the other side aren't. Based on your reaction, I assume you are just venting out in frustration. It is clear what your purpose is here:" I personally, and most people I know, have stopped using SO for any new questions because of the combative way we have been treated by some volunteers", so now you are here to talk trash about EVERY volunteer. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 3:51 | comment | added | tripleee | The parallel with the book publisher would be an author who turns in a new 300-page manuscript every week on topics ranging from tropical fish to child rearing to nuclear physics to spiritual growth to agricultural sustainability to the history of the Incas. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 2:57 | comment | added | kaya3 | Detecting ChatGPT-generated text can be improved by leveraging human intuition and contextual understanding. Humans possess a vast array of knowledge and experiences that enable them to spot inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and contextual discrepancies in generated text. They can identify nuances, sarcasm, and understand context-specific cues, allowing them to differentiate between genuine human responses and AI-generated ones. By actively engaging with the content, asking probing questions, and critically analyzing the text, humans can bring a depth of understanding that surpasses AIs. | |
| Jun 9, 2023 at 2:35 | comment | added | leanne | Again, @kaya3, I'm not talking about the tools. The strikers have made it very clear that they weren't using tools. And, regardless of "false positives and false negatives", there are a multitude of sites out there seeking to solve this problem. Book publishers are having the same problem, for example. They just want to know that a submitted book was written by a human, not an AI. They also have data such as the history of the contributor - and they still cannot tell with any high accuracy what is AI and what is human. | |
| Jun 8, 2023 at 23:51 | comment | added | Frédéric Hamidi | Hi @leanne. I'm Fred. I've been answering questions on SO from late 2010 to late 2016, and I also have been "curating" the site during this time period. I am aware the private SE company can do whatever they want with their assets, or, as you say, "properties". Problem is, volunteer work is not an asset or a "property". It is not paid for. It is not taxed. It is something one does out of their own time and (sometimes) money. The unique situation the SE company finds itself in is that it depends on distributed, volunteer work, and they cannot easily replace that. | |
| Jun 8, 2023 at 23:50 | comment | added | kaya3 | The way we are able to tell with greater accuracy than ChatGPT detection tools whether a post is written by ChatGPT, is not because we have discovered some magical solution to the problem that OpenAI are trying to solve, but because the problem we are solving is a different and much easier one. OpenAI want to do it using just the text of the post, whereas we have lots of other input data available, including the original question, the user's post history, and other context; and OpenAI want to minimise both false positives and false negatives, while we mainly want to minimise false positives. | |
| Jun 8, 2023 at 23:50 | comment | added | mason | Do you really in your heart believe that Stack Overflow Inc staff always make the correct decisions? That they should take no input from the people that made this network of sites a success in the first place? Software developers who can write and maintain the apps this site runs on are readily found. A legion of people willing to put forth their own unpaid time to actually make the site useful are not readily found. | |
| Jun 8, 2023 at 23:44 | comment | added | kaya3 | "They are not beholden to their volunteers regarding their decisions." ─ And we are not beholden to them regarding the hosting of our communities. The whole Stack Exchange model cannot work if there is no agreement that it's in everyone's interests for them to continue hosting us and for us to continue maintaining the value of their product by curating and moderating it. "The company must do what they think is best for their bottom line, including what they think is best for their users." ─ sure, and if they want to know what's best for us they can listen to us about it. | |
| Jun 8, 2023 at 22:51 | history | answered | leanne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |